Most people were naturally self-serving, said the Magus. Were there people who weren't? In his study of philosophy he had discovered that this was a debate that seemed to not have an real answer. Even though those on the side of everyone being self-serving had many examples and experiments to prove their points and the ones on the opposite said had few, and sometimes none, it seemed to be in the nature of many people to believe that selflessness could be achieved. Rivin preferred to believe that every creature did what it did for its own gain, even if that gain was the emotional satisfaction and pleasure of aiding another. Caring for others had many benefits and the Lysanrin didn't see why some people were so offended by the idea of everything being done for a reason.
What Aurin was saying broke through a little wall in Rivin's head and he pushed through the idea out loud,
"It is easier to deceive if part of what you are doing is a true thing? This is why you try and find something you like in the people who you wish to believe that you like them?" Making a lie only partly a lie made people believe it more? He wasn't sure if that was so, so long as the one making the lie was good enough at it. But he was not so good at it yet that he would not use a tool to be better.
He made mental notes as Aurin continued to speak, the underlying concepts were the most useful to him, though practice would be needed, he had no doubt. The confirmation that sometimes things, like being a predator, could be used in a way that, if not totally safe, at least could be safe. A lot of the sexual things he had observed had not looked quite safe, or had looked decidedly unsafe, but people seemed to want them, or at least tolerate them for the pleasure of others.
"So, most people, they have the things that they like, that they want. For some it is just," He shrugged, made a vague hand gesture, "sex, normal. Others want more specific things. Learning what those things are is, of course, useful. Learning about their lives, when they were young, it can help learn what things they want." He hummed, then nodded to show he was keeping up.
That the smith's father did not know his father was not a point that Rivin understood, but perhaps it was the other meaning, which, as far as he could tell meant 'bad', sometimes playfully, sometimes not. As Aurin used it, it did not seem playful.
He closed his eyes, imagined the combination of having a father figure who was not kind, possibly abusive, then being replaced by a better man but one who could not provide what was needed. Trying to put himself into something of that mindset. The lack of nurturing, the need of it; the harshness of wrongful discipline and then the lack of it at all. The idea of being beaten as he knew Aurin did with the smith did not appeal to Rivin at all, terrified him, but his reaction was based on his own experience. If he had lived the smith's experiences...
Opening his eyes he met Aurin's deep hazel ones as he thought it through, opening his mouth, hesitating, then saying,
"So, the things that you do with him, they give him those things that he could not get, or got in the wrong way, as a child. This would make him feel safe and wanted?" It was a question but a rhetorical one as he saw the answer on the human's face so he went on.
"And out of this you get to feel control and power, but it isn't something you are forcing, it is being given to you. Does this mean that you had those things taken from you when you were a child, so when you are given them, you feel also the good things?"
What Aurin was saying broke through a little wall in Rivin's head and he pushed through the idea out loud,
"It is easier to deceive if part of what you are doing is a true thing? This is why you try and find something you like in the people who you wish to believe that you like them?" Making a lie only partly a lie made people believe it more? He wasn't sure if that was so, so long as the one making the lie was good enough at it. But he was not so good at it yet that he would not use a tool to be better.
He made mental notes as Aurin continued to speak, the underlying concepts were the most useful to him, though practice would be needed, he had no doubt. The confirmation that sometimes things, like being a predator, could be used in a way that, if not totally safe, at least could be safe. A lot of the sexual things he had observed had not looked quite safe, or had looked decidedly unsafe, but people seemed to want them, or at least tolerate them for the pleasure of others.
"So, most people, they have the things that they like, that they want. For some it is just," He shrugged, made a vague hand gesture, "sex, normal. Others want more specific things. Learning what those things are is, of course, useful. Learning about their lives, when they were young, it can help learn what things they want." He hummed, then nodded to show he was keeping up.
That the smith's father did not know his father was not a point that Rivin understood, but perhaps it was the other meaning, which, as far as he could tell meant 'bad', sometimes playfully, sometimes not. As Aurin used it, it did not seem playful.
He closed his eyes, imagined the combination of having a father figure who was not kind, possibly abusive, then being replaced by a better man but one who could not provide what was needed. Trying to put himself into something of that mindset. The lack of nurturing, the need of it; the harshness of wrongful discipline and then the lack of it at all. The idea of being beaten as he knew Aurin did with the smith did not appeal to Rivin at all, terrified him, but his reaction was based on his own experience. If he had lived the smith's experiences...
Opening his eyes he met Aurin's deep hazel ones as he thought it through, opening his mouth, hesitating, then saying,
"So, the things that you do with him, they give him those things that he could not get, or got in the wrong way, as a child. This would make him feel safe and wanted?" It was a question but a rhetorical one as he saw the answer on the human's face so he went on.
"And out of this you get to feel control and power, but it isn't something you are forcing, it is being given to you. Does this mean that you had those things taken from you when you were a child, so when you are given them, you feel also the good things?"